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	<title>Comments on: 2008 Election Hillary vs. Obama</title>
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		<title>By: reno</title>
		<link>http://jenjw4.blogpeoria.com/2008/01/09/198/#comment-1794</link>
		<dc:creator>reno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 20:49:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Meh, I think that people who are judging her by her appearance, voice, or marriage are 1-dimensional morons.  But, so are people who vote for her solely because she's a woman.  Me, nah, I don't support her.  But that has more to do with her stance on issues and her ways as a politician.  Like claiming to have Jewish roots right before the NY election (where there's a large Jewish voting bloc).  I wouldn't trust someone who is so eager to get into a position of power that they'll say ANYTHING.  

Just my two cents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Meh, I think that people who are judging her by her appearance, voice, or marriage are 1-dimensional morons.  But, so are people who vote for her solely because she&#8217;s a woman.  Me, nah, I don&#8217;t support her.  But that has more to do with her stance on issues and her ways as a politician.  Like claiming to have Jewish roots right before the NY election (where there&#8217;s a large Jewish voting bloc).  I wouldn&#8217;t trust someone who is so eager to get into a position of power that they&#8217;ll say ANYTHING.  </p>
<p>Just my two cents.</p>
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		<title>By: diane vespa</title>
		<link>http://jenjw4.blogpeoria.com/2008/01/09/198/#comment-1790</link>
		<dc:creator>diane vespa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 00:39:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Clintons had their chance. Wasn't Hillary talking about health care in the early - mid 90's? Has anything really changed? Her lips move but can you believe anything that comes out of them?

I like Obama because I have the sense that he has a cool head. He can simmer things down around the globe. Lets dump the old guards and bring in  the new ones. We have raped and pillaged our planet enough  It's time for the younger generation to move in and clean up the mess.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Clintons had their chance. Wasn&#8217;t Hillary talking about health care in the early - mid 90&#8217;s? Has anything really changed? Her lips move but can you believe anything that comes out of them?</p>
<p>I like Obama because I have the sense that he has a cool head. He can simmer things down around the globe. Lets dump the old guards and bring in  the new ones. We have raped and pillaged our planet enough  It&#8217;s time for the younger generation to move in and clean up the mess.</p>
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		<title>By: jenjw4</title>
		<link>http://jenjw4.blogpeoria.com/2008/01/09/198/#comment-1785</link>
		<dc:creator>jenjw4</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 16:14:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, everyone, for the great, well thought-out comments.  

It makes me a little sad, though, that in 2008 a candidate's skin color or gender would still be a factor.   (Not referring to you guys,  I know you are just pointing out a practical matter that I really hadn't thought about)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, everyone, for the great, well thought-out comments.  </p>
<p>It makes me a little sad, though, that in 2008 a candidate&#8217;s skin color or gender would still be a factor.   (Not referring to you guys,  I know you are just pointing out a practical matter that I really hadn&#8217;t thought about)</p>
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		<title>By: ollie</title>
		<link>http://jenjw4.blogpeoria.com/2008/01/09/198/#comment-1781</link>
		<dc:creator>ollie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 01:24:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can give you a ton of BS as to why I am backing Obama, but for me, it boils down to two points

1) I have been moderately active during some local campaigns, and the politicians that I've met have told me that the Obama you see in public is the same one you see in private.  They have ALL told me that he is the real deal; in fact, Senator Shadid (my former state Senator) worked for him in Iowa.

2) Demographics.  Obama has a style of speaking and answering questions that appeals to students, teachers, professors and science/math geeks. :)

Of course, that quality might hurt him with others.

On the other hand, my family in Texas is backing HRC; mostly my mom and sister are genuinely touched that a woman is a credible candidate.

Frankly, I like HRC when she was speaking as a Senator; I don't like her campaign style.

On the issues:  she is somewhat corporate friendly and a bit too much of a hawk; note that she always talks about being against "a rush to war" rather than being "against war".

On a personal note:  she actually has had close male friends; I understand that she is far friendlier than she appears in public.  I think that her "human moment" the night before the primary really opened more women to her and that is one reason why she pulled in all those undecided voters.

Obama got the percentage that was predicted.

As far as being black:  unfortunately, the rest of the nation is NOT Illinois; it will hurt him.  Still, I think that he is skilled enough to overcome it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can give you a ton of BS as to why I am backing Obama, but for me, it boils down to two points</p>
<p>1) I have been moderately active during some local campaigns, and the politicians that I&#8217;ve met have told me that the Obama you see in public is the same one you see in private.  They have ALL told me that he is the real deal; in fact, Senator Shadid (my former state Senator) worked for him in Iowa.</p>
<p>2) Demographics.  Obama has a style of speaking and answering questions that appeals to students, teachers, professors and science/math geeks. <img src='http://jenjw4.blogpeoria.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Of course, that quality might hurt him with others.</p>
<p>On the other hand, my family in Texas is backing HRC; mostly my mom and sister are genuinely touched that a woman is a credible candidate.</p>
<p>Frankly, I like HRC when she was speaking as a Senator; I don&#8217;t like her campaign style.</p>
<p>On the issues:  she is somewhat corporate friendly and a bit too much of a hawk; note that she always talks about being against &#8220;a rush to war&#8221; rather than being &#8220;against war&#8221;.</p>
<p>On a personal note:  she actually has had close male friends; I understand that she is far friendlier than she appears in public.  I think that her &#8220;human moment&#8221; the night before the primary really opened more women to her and that is one reason why she pulled in all those undecided voters.</p>
<p>Obama got the percentage that was predicted.</p>
<p>As far as being black:  unfortunately, the rest of the nation is NOT Illinois; it will hurt him.  Still, I think that he is skilled enough to overcome it.</p>
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		<title>By: PeoriaIllinoisan</title>
		<link>http://jenjw4.blogpeoria.com/2008/01/09/198/#comment-1780</link>
		<dc:creator>PeoriaIllinoisan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 21:31:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't think America is ready for a female president and I don't think she will win.  Bill aside, she's got two things going against her.  1. She comes off as meanspirited.  2. She's a woman.  I say that not to offend, but I think for all of the strides women have made, and as much as we try to say everyone's equal, they are still generally looked down upon.

I really think Obama can pull it off.  He's got charisma and like it or not, that's what it takes to get elected.  Other than white supremacists, I think people look up to and respect educated and well spoken Black males.

Just my two cents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think America is ready for a female president and I don&#8217;t think she will win.  Bill aside, she&#8217;s got two things going against her.  1. She comes off as meanspirited.  2. She&#8217;s a woman.  I say that not to offend, but I think for all of the strides women have made, and as much as we try to say everyone&#8217;s equal, they are still generally looked down upon.</p>
<p>I really think Obama can pull it off.  He&#8217;s got charisma and like it or not, that&#8217;s what it takes to get elected.  Other than white supremacists, I think people look up to and respect educated and well spoken Black males.</p>
<p>Just my two cents.</p>
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		<title>By: jadedgirl</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 21:31:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hillary stayed with Bill for her political aspirations, and Bill's "connections" to that world...she's no dummy. I know what Bill did wasn't morally correct, but it takes nothing away from the fact that he was a good president. JFK was the biggest philanderer in the world...and yet...good president. The personal lives of the political world are much less important to me than the fact that this country has lousy healthcare, and we are involved in a war we cannot win. Bushy was a whisky drinkin cokehead...I don't care. I only care about the fact that he is incompetent in his job, and not his personal life.  I'm with you on the whole Hillary thing...the fact that she stayed with Bill was a personal decision, and has nothing to do with her ability to run our country. I think she's smart, and very capable. Obama is wonderful...I like him for many reasons. His past "pot smoking" was what kids do...and even some adults do. I couldn't care less...he is also intelligent and capable (albeit perhaps a little inexperienced)

Truth be told...I'm not voting for either of them in the primary, though...I just happen to like one other candidate better. But, whoever gets the nod if the dems win (God please!) It's truly a win-win.

I'm not sure if this helped you, but I'd thought I'd chime in anyways.
Hugs...

:o)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hillary stayed with Bill for her political aspirations, and Bill&#8217;s &#8220;connections&#8221; to that world&#8230;she&#8217;s no dummy. I know what Bill did wasn&#8217;t morally correct, but it takes nothing away from the fact that he was a good president. JFK was the biggest philanderer in the world&#8230;and yet&#8230;good president. The personal lives of the political world are much less important to me than the fact that this country has lousy healthcare, and we are involved in a war we cannot win. Bushy was a whisky drinkin cokehead&#8230;I don&#8217;t care. I only care about the fact that he is incompetent in his job, and not his personal life.  I&#8217;m with you on the whole Hillary thing&#8230;the fact that she stayed with Bill was a personal decision, and has nothing to do with her ability to run our country. I think she&#8217;s smart, and very capable. Obama is wonderful&#8230;I like him for many reasons. His past &#8220;pot smoking&#8221; was what kids do&#8230;and even some adults do. I couldn&#8217;t care less&#8230;he is also intelligent and capable (albeit perhaps a little inexperienced)</p>
<p>Truth be told&#8230;I&#8217;m not voting for either of them in the primary, though&#8230;I just happen to like one other candidate better. But, whoever gets the nod if the dems win (God please!) It&#8217;s truly a win-win.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure if this helped you, but I&#8217;d thought I&#8217;d chime in anyways.<br />
Hugs&#8230;</p>
<p>:o)</p>
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		<title>By: HollowSquirrel</title>
		<link>http://jenjw4.blogpeoria.com/2008/01/09/198/#comment-1778</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 20:25:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And if Hillary would have left Bill? Well game over, because the hypocritical "Family Values Police" would have been spouting the marriage vows that Hillary took with Bill. Her situation leaves people to criticize whichever avenue she took with him. I think their relationship was built on mutual respect for each other's intellect and admiration for the others' strengths. I think they love each other and their private lives? That's for them to deal with...not ours. Is anyone sloshin' old Rudy Guiliani for having three wives? No, and I don't think those were on the up and up in terms of rotten behavior. 

Although I'm certainly ready for Hillary in the White House (and I do like Obama, too, but I'd like him to have a few more years under his belt), I honestly don't think America is...just look at how few women we have in Congress compared to other nations in Africa and Europe! We're far behind. We say we're progressive, but we're not. Powerful white women still rub many the wrong way (hi, Martha...I'm talking to YOU...but I heart you!). 

I'm not sure what's going to happen. I wish Hillary &#38; Obama could ticket together...that would be incredible. I'm sure this doesn't help you, eh? :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And if Hillary would have left Bill? Well game over, because the hypocritical &#8220;Family Values Police&#8221; would have been spouting the marriage vows that Hillary took with Bill. Her situation leaves people to criticize whichever avenue she took with him. I think their relationship was built on mutual respect for each other&#8217;s intellect and admiration for the others&#8217; strengths. I think they love each other and their private lives? That&#8217;s for them to deal with&#8230;not ours. Is anyone sloshin&#8217; old Rudy Guiliani for having three wives? No, and I don&#8217;t think those were on the up and up in terms of rotten behavior. </p>
<p>Although I&#8217;m certainly ready for Hillary in the White House (and I do like Obama, too, but I&#8217;d like him to have a few more years under his belt), I honestly don&#8217;t think America is&#8230;just look at how few women we have in Congress compared to other nations in Africa and Europe! We&#8217;re far behind. We say we&#8217;re progressive, but we&#8217;re not. Powerful white women still rub many the wrong way (hi, Martha&#8230;I&#8217;m talking to YOU&#8230;but I heart you!). </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure what&#8217;s going to happen. I wish Hillary &amp; Obama could ticket together&#8230;that would be incredible. I&#8217;m sure this doesn&#8217;t help you, eh? <img src='http://jenjw4.blogpeoria.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: katearch1978</title>
		<link>http://jenjw4.blogpeoria.com/2008/01/09/198/#comment-1777</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 19:29:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with you, J.  I think work and private lives are separate and need to remain so.  

Billy Boy could very possibly be the poster child for cheating husbands.  Personally, he may be a piece of crap.  And no administration is perfect, but I prefer his to what we currently have.  But I think it was in poor taste for Bill to describe Obama's campaign as a fairy tale this week.  

Anyway...I very much like Obama.  I think that he could be our generation's JFK.  I like a lot of what he stands for and his message of unity.  I think that much more can be accomplished under his administration than that of the other candidates.

I do like HRC as well.  I think she is tough enough to handle the job.  And if Obama was not in the picture I would probably be all for her. 

Good luck!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you, J.  I think work and private lives are separate and need to remain so.  </p>
<p>Billy Boy could very possibly be the poster child for cheating husbands.  Personally, he may be a piece of crap.  And no administration is perfect, but I prefer his to what we currently have.  But I think it was in poor taste for Bill to describe Obama&#8217;s campaign as a fairy tale this week.  </p>
<p>Anyway&#8230;I very much like Obama.  I think that he could be our generation&#8217;s JFK.  I like a lot of what he stands for and his message of unity.  I think that much more can be accomplished under his administration than that of the other candidates.</p>
<p>I do like HRC as well.  I think she is tough enough to handle the job.  And if Obama was not in the picture I would probably be all for her. </p>
<p>Good luck!</p>
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